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Tom Falardeau
April 3rd, 2007, 11:28 PM
Evolution is a funny thing. I bit the hook of backmount doubles, long-hose, team-centric, backplate, etc philosphy (aka DIR) very hard a few years ago. Some others did to a more (JimC) or lesser (marc g) degree. Yet we all seem to have ended up in a sidemount configuration by 2006. Next step in evolution or a dead-end branch like the neanderthal?

Funny, but every time I go to cave country in the last 18-24 months, it seems that sidemount is gaining new practitioners. I've had 2 cave instructors tell me, in the last week, that they prefer sidemount and think it's more rational than backmount for cave diving. Can a doing it right for sidemount (DIRFS) be far behind?

JimC has made the basic case for sidemount in his inaugural posts, and he does know of which he speaks. Add Marie and me to the list of those who think sidemount is inherently safer, better for the environment and easier on the aging body than lugging huge backmount doubles.

I'm watching the sudden spurt of growth of backmount doubles among our Ontario diving brethren (most of the new crop being well removed from deco diving and actually needing more than one cylinder), as if it was the next fashion in diving. Based on the progress of fashion in society (or to overuse the trite "jump the shark" expression), diving backmount doubles has "jumped the shark" when recreational divers with less than 100 dives and nowhere near qualified for deco dives are lugging around backmount doubles. I say good luck to them, their knees and backs.

The other day, I witnessed a couple (man & woman - the former huge, the latter petite) of backmount doubles cave divers. The man carried double 120s... his wife double 85s - so far so good, until, that is, I heard him express his satisfaction at matching his wife's thirds............In other words, instead of gas matching, this pair were both diving to thirds, independent of each other's ability to provide gas in case of emergency. If the man had a catastrophic gas failure, his wife would never have been able to get him out of the cave on her small tanks. Bad training - probably. Bad understanding of gas management - definitely. Accident waiting to happen - I sure hope not.

However, the wife would never have been able to carry enough gas to match her husband - she was about as tall as the 120s (I exaggerate for effect, but you get the message). The solution to cave dive safely for this couple would have been to sidemount. With proper gas management techniques, each diver would be able to carry whatever amount of gas they wanted and could carry, since sidemount divers carry their own rescue gas, not their buddy's, like backmounters.

Taking Marie and me as example, on backmount, we both used to dive double 130s.... and it wrecked Marie's back. If I were to backmount smaller tanks to match her carrying ability, we would be much limited in our ability to explore. Switching to sidemount with proper gas management, Marie can now dive with two 100s and I with two 130s, and we hit thirds at the same time, yet never rely on each other for rescue - we plan our gas for self rescue. We always have enough gas in either of our separate side tanks to get us out of the cave - and having two catastrophic failures on a single diver, which would deprive us of our bug-out gas, is akin to winning the 6/49, or damn near, statistically speaking - so it is safe. Safer, definitely when we're doing tight tunnels where sharing air on a long hose, hogarthian style, is physically impossible.

Wait for it. Sidemount is going to go mainstream, even among our friends of the more rigid hogarthian persuaison in the next few years.

marc g
April 8th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Tom take a look at Ontario Diving and let the games begin I hope...

JimC
April 8th, 2007, 06:54 PM
I'll say it again, just for public record:

The 'hog' regulator setup doesn't work very well when stuff gets small. Wrapping hoses behind your head encourages them to catch on stuff in the one place you want as clean as possible, your back. Not to mention the real deal breaker for me, bottle removal. It's already enough of a pain in the ass not to have to worry about pulling a bungee off your head.

I also don't like the "I am breathing the short hose, and have to donate my clipped off longhose" scenario. I prefer having a 3rd second stage on one of the tanks for mixed teams. You always donate from the bungee, and never have to remember what you're breathing to know what to do to donate. You also never have to try to donate a clipped off longhose only to realize that the boltsnap is jammed full of stuff and seized shut.

I just see that routing as a last ditch effort to try to bring two worlds together that have no business being together. Hog and DIR just aren't sidemount and the stuff doesn't work and they don't combine well. You have to get away from the thinking and start from the ground up. I had a great, and clear example of this and I'll see if I can remember it.


For similar reasons the stuff clipped off to your behind I don't like. Again, they break up the smooth back and when it gets low they can and will scrape off. Been there, swam back into a cave on a backup light (primary was dead) because my stupid spool jumped its boltsnap and played out 50 feet of line around my fins and rock. Pockets are a bit of a pain on sidemount, but they ARE accessible with practice. I am firmly convinced that the best spot for spools is in a pocket.


But congratulations on seeing the light. I knew it wouldn't take to long to have the last of the posse to go. :)

I'd post over 'there' but I just don't give a damn anymore and I am tired of defending my choices against people who have no understanding of sidemount and no true interest in the actually answer but have other motivations.

Tom Falardeau
April 8th, 2007, 07:19 PM
I'm with Jim on posting on the other place. The people who yell the loudest about removing the cotton from one's ears and putting it in one's mouth have the most cotton in their ears, starting with the leadership. No point in throwing pearls to swine, as the good book says.

WRT to hoses, I'm also with you, Jim. I like my short hoses. I've done the long hose, backup hose thing with the Nomad, it isn't clean. The 22 inch hoses with angles at the 2nd stages work fine and keep the profile tight - 90 degree angles work best for jaw fatigue. I'm still not satisfied with how I stow the unused 2nd stage, but that is a work in progress. SM and Hog can't mix - the whole philosophy of DIS is based on self-reliance and individual gas management within a team (of one or more), meaning hose length is determined by what creates the most streamlined and clean profile, not the need to feed gas to another diver. I'm pretty much at the point where I don't think I'll cave dive with a backmounter, period - unless it's a numpty dive and then, the additional 2nd stage with long hose tightly bungeed to the right can is the sanest idea.

Neil
April 9th, 2007, 11:16 AM
I dived with double 104's in February when I spent a week in Florida cave diving and taking my Apprentice course. Hauling those tanks from the car into the fill bucket, back to the car, then from the car to the picnic table, then carrying to the water, and back, over and over, really messed me up just after 10 days or so of diving. My back was sore for 3 weeks after, and my shoulders have just recently stopped hurting every time I move my arm. My knees have almost stopped cracking every time I move them. But I don't think I could dive like that on a regular basis without completely ruining my joints and back!

marc g
April 9th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Guys,

I understand but this works best for me at this time. The shorter hoses caused more jaw fatigued than anything else, the hoses where tugging at my mouth making it very uncomfortable and I have TMG (jaw problems).

Remember, the configuration is not my idea but taken from a guy thats been sidemounting for a very long time his name is Jay Wells and I respect his thoughts on sidemounting not that I don't listen to your guys.

With the stuff long hose I have more control on the length of the hose and I had no jaw fatigue at all during my trip. The bungeed hose around my neck only time will tell but where I carry my cambands on my tanks are somewhat higher than yours guys and my hose is tight around my neck.

The reels and spools could be another story but at this time I found it more appropriate to have them on my ass D ring with my DR dry suit those pockets are really too small.

I know guys but I just wanted to stir the pot a little and give my perspective on sidemount diving from a different angle, mine.

Jim, I'm sorry that you are under the weather but get well soon so we can all go diving. Any news on that scooter of yours yet...

JimC
April 10th, 2007, 09:54 AM
Hey, not a problem.

Sidemount is an individual thing. Its your config and what works for you, works. I am just sharing my experience trying the 'longhose/bungee' thing. That experience tells me its more trouble than its worth. P.S. the jaw problems might be due to the 45's. When I switched to swivel/elbow all my issues disappeared. If you are running tanks lower, perhaps slightly longer hoses would work. I am using 22 inches on mine.

Scooter guy gets back from vacation in a day or two. Then I just have to get him some cash and the scooter will hit the road. I should have it by end of the month when my friends come up from Boston next.

marc g
April 10th, 2007, 09:18 PM
No, it's when they removed my wisdom teeth the dentist did some damage to the jaw. I had Bill order me two OMS 45 degree D-ring for handling stages there higher and bigger than the standard D.

Tom Falardeau
April 10th, 2007, 11:21 PM
You should try 90 degree or swivels, Marc. I found the 45 degree thingies just didn't feel comfy very quickly. Putting in swivels made it comfier than long hose stuff.

JimC
April 11th, 2007, 08:31 AM
No, it's when they removed my wisdom teeth the dentist did some damage to the jaw. I had Bill order me two OMS 45 degree D-ring for handling stages there higher and bigger than the standard D.

I put on 2 welded, bent d-rings too. ;)

Tom Falardeau
April 11th, 2007, 09:12 AM
No, it's when they removed my wisdom teeth the dentist did some damage to the jaw. I had Bill order me two OMS 45 degree D-ring for handling stages there higher and bigger than the standard D.

I put on 2 welded, bent d-rings too. ;)

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